Young Orthodox Mail

YO-Mail Issue #17 -- 1 October 1998

In this issue:

  • From the Office: Cyberpals are Coming & Tell Us about life on Campus
  • Food for the Soul: 'God has visited His people'
  • An Orthodox Look: Movie: What Dreams May Come
  • On the Calendar: No events submitted for this issue
  • In the News: --in the next issue--
  • Real Questions, Real Answers: Hell and Judgement

    Readers Write ...

  • Another Word on Orthodox Unity in North America

    From the Office:

    Cyberpals are Coming & Tell Us about Life on Campus

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    For all you enthusiasts who asked for an Orthodox cyberpal, you'll be happy to hear that you will receive your e-mail partner the first week in November.

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    Food for the Soul

    Luke 7:11-16 (Gospel reading on the 18th Sunday after Pentecost)

    Now it happened, the day after, that He went into a city called Nain; and many of His disciples went with Him, and a large crowd. And when He came near the gate of the city, behold, a dead man was being carried out, the only son of his mother; and she was a widow. And a large crowd from the city was with her. When the Lord saw her, He had compassion on her and said to her, "Do not weep." Then He came and touched the open coffin, and those who carried him stood still. And He said, "Young man, I say to you, arise." So he who was dead sat up and began to speak. And He presented him to his mother. Then fear came upon all, and they glorified God, saying, "A great prophet has risen up among us"; and, "God has visited His people."

    Not many people today can say that they have seen such wonders. We read and hear these scriptural accounts of Christ raising people from the dead and sometimes wonder if they actually happened, or are just "nice stories" to help us deal with loss and death. Many of us who have lost people whom we love may not feel that "God has visited" us. We read this passage and the other accounts of times when Jesus raised people from the dead (Jairus' daughter -- Mt 9:23-26, and Lazarus -- Jn 11:1-46) and sometimes wonder why He came so late. Why didn't He prevent these people from dying altogether?

    These miracles were Christ's way of telling His disciples, and those with whom He came in contact what was to come. These miracles were not the eternal resurrection. The widow's son, like Jairus' daughter and Lazarus, eventually died again after living out their earthly life. Later Christ Himself would suffer death at a young age, and be carried away by His own mourning mother in order to destroy the power of death by His own death.

    When we lose someone, we are given a choice. We can either stop and abandon hope in our sorrow and loss, or we can face it with the knowledge of what Christ did in this reading. As the widow was following her son's body off to his tomb, she knew that because of the laws of the time, as a widow with no other sons, she would end up poor and homeless. It is into this situation that Christ, the very Son of God, came and showed her, the crowd, and his disciples, that God is right there with them even when it seems completely hopeless. When Jesus raises this son from the dead, He reassures us that death is not how it's "supposed to be" and that God is there to make it right. We are not meant to die, but to live and through Him be raised again to a new life that is eternal.

    Regardless of the hope we have in the Resurrection as Christians, however, we still mourn the loss of our loved ones. Our grief helps us to realize how much we take for granted: how we take our very life for granted, neglecting what we should be doing with it and forgetting how easily it can end; and how we take the people in our lives for granted. Grief enables our hearts to reflect on the joys we shared as well as the failures and mistakes we made in the way we treated them. We begin to realize how we fail to recognize others as true gifts of God.

    When we face death, we may not see Christ walking up to raise people from the dead. We can, however, be assured of two things:

    1. God brings each person into our lives to help us grow closer to Him, simply by who they are and all they do

    2. He can raise him or her up again to live a joyous life with Him that will never end

    Perhaps before, we did not fully realize the gift He had given us. Indeed, we can live our whole lives without realizing how much God gives and has given us. We who live in the flesh are the ones who need to be raised from spiritual death, and it is those who have gone before us into Christ's rest that show us the way. It is for these reasons that even though we pass through the pain of grief and loss, we can say with confidence that, "God has visited his people."

    Something to think about

    "Lord, I know that, despite all the tragedy and suffering in the world, You are with us. You constantly show us that you will not forget us and that there is hope in the bleakest of times. Help me to see Your face in the people around me, for it is You who put them there. Amen."

    Movie: What Dreams May Come

    It could be that movie makers have finally accomplished with camera and computer what the great painters have been able to do for centuries. What Dreams May Come is a combination of fantasy and American popular theology that takes us through an afterlife in the artistic styles of Monet, Renoir, Degas, Delacroix, Baro, and Hieronymus Bosch. Visually speaking, the movie is a breakthrough. Some will say the visuals are taken to such an extreme that the plot suffers. Others will surely be enchanted.

    On the up side:

    On the down side:

    FYI: For those of you who didn't know (including some of us here at YO-Mail), the movie is based upon the 1978 book by Richard Matheson -- an even more interesting read.


    On the Calendar

    No events submitted for this issue

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    In the News

    Next Issue

    In the attempt to try and keep these issues from getting too long, we are postponing our article on "Christianity, Homosexuality, and Politics" until our next issue.

    See you then!


    Real Questions, Real Answers!

    Hell and Judgement

    Q. (from CH from MA)

    If God could destroy hell (which, supposedly, He can), would He?

    If the answer is yes, it implies that there would no longer be a reason to act in a good Christian fashion, and that all moral codes would be as well rewarded as others (seeing as there would be no place but heaven to send those who die). It takes the element of free choice out of life and removes the purpose of such things as the ten commandments and the sermon on the mount.

    This is clearly not an acceptable solution.

    If the answer is no, then it implies that God wants some people to go to hell. It can be compared to God leaning over the rail of a boat with an infinitely large pile of life preservers and drowning people in the water all around the boat. The drowning people are those who stand before the dread judgment seat of God, and God can choose which of them He saves. There's plenty of space in heaven for all, so it's not that He has to be choosy.

    Given the choice between saving someone and not saving them, we've been taught always to save them. Why is it okay for God to condemn them, to withhold salvation from them and say "All these people are okay, but not you!" It seems like a really mean thing to do to someone: condemning them to eternal torment. Definitely not something that the loving and forgiving God that we're told He is would do.

    The only possible answer, if something of a cop out, is to say that God doesn't choose your fate when you die; you choose it during the course of your life. But then, why is there such a thing as "the dread judgment seat of God"? Is it only like a show trial, because your fate was sealed at the moment you die? Clearly it's God (or some representative of God, i.e., Peter at the Pearly Gates) that judges you. God's all powerful: he could save you, if he wanted to. Why would they condemn anyone instead of saving everyone they could (which is everyone, no shortage of space in heaven).

    Also, a similar question is whether it's good enough to say "Sorry" when God says "You've lived a sinful life; what do you have to say for yourself?" If you're honestly sorry when you stand before the dread judgment seat of God, is that enough that our forgiving God who loves all His children would spare you the eternal torment of hell? If so, then it seems to remove the reason for having a hell just as surely as the previous arguments do. Everybody, when before God, would make some attempt at apologizing for any bad things they may have done at some point in their lives. What happens then? (This excludes those foolish enough to continue to defy God even when faced with His might and presence.) Does God forgive (and admit them to heaven, even though they only repented after they died)?

    These are a few of my questions. Thanks.

    A.

    Whoa! Those are some loaded questions, CH!

    You may be surprised, though, to find out how common they are. Each of us who takes our Faith even somewhat seriously, wrestles with the concepts of heaven and hell, and God's mercy and justice.

    We are bombarded with all kinds of incorrect ideas and images about what the Bible and the Church have to say about all this. For one example, check out the movie What Dreams May Come which we reviewed in this issue. Either from movies, music, television, or conversations with others, we hear everything from "heaven is sitting on clouds strumming harps" to "being saved means earning your 'wings' and becoming an angel." Hell, on the other hand, becomes either "spending eternity separated from God in a place where He isn't present" (which is impossible -- if God is God, then He is, by definition, everywhere) or a place that doesn't exist at all.

    At the core of many of the misconceptions that people have about heaven and hell is the idea that they are two separate geographic locations. In this understanding hell is like a jail or penal colony where God sends those whom He doesn't like, or who have broken the laws and rules that God wants us to follow, and heaven is a kind of "fantasy island." The Church's teaching on heaven, hell and judgment is actually clearer, more consistent, and just makes better sense.

    The Church teaches that there will be a final judgment when Christ comes again. Rather than a court-like judgment where people are either directed to the "up or down escalators," however, the final judgment is simply being in His presence. The Church teaches that everyone - whether they believed or even heard about God and Jesus, will have to face Him, the One who is love. While in this life we are able to live as if there is no God, no Christ, no Spirit, no Church, when Christ comes again and we face Him, we will not be able to pretend anymore.

    For some people, whose entire lives were based on love, both for Him and their "neighbor," this will be paradise. For people who lived their lives without any love for Him and their "neighbor," who were only concerned with themselves, this will be a torturous hell were there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Mt 8:21). This won't be because He withholds salvation from anyone or because of anything He does, but because of Who He is and how we react to being near Him.

    To help understand this, think back to a time you had to be with someone you really did not like, versus a time when you were with someone you really liked. One was a painful experience that felt as if it would never end, and the other was a fun time that flew by and was over too quickly. Imagine how much more the joy and/or torment will be when we face God Himself and are basked in His glory and love forever.

    Thus it is the Church's spiritual teaching that God does not punish us by some material fire or physical torment. God simply reveals Himself as the risen Lord Jesus in such a glorious way that no man can fail to behold His glory. It is being in this Presence that is either a person's heaven or hell.

    This is what we should be considering when we prepare for confession or reflect on our lives: have we lived a life of love, or have we lived a life of hate, self-love, and indifference? We also need to be careful about what we mean when we say "love." God's love is not romance and nice feelings. Rather, it is patience, perseverence, self-sacrifice, joy, humility, etc. For a good definition, check out 1 Cor 13:4-8a.

    Many of the ideas in this answer were taken and rephrased from the Spirituality volume of the Orthodox Faith Rainbow Book series (pages 196-197 in the paper version). If you want to check it out:

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    Christians and Halloween

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    Readers Write ...

    Another Word on Orthodox Unity in North America

    In response to our ongoing discussion about:

    How can we actively participate in helping to develop a single unified Orthodox Church in North America where all Orthodox Christians of all ethnic backgrounds witness to the Gospel of our Lord?

    Nick Woog from MN writes:

    Being Orthodox we are "unified"; however, the main thing that is stopping us is jurisdictional conflicts. When different Patriarchates have a bishop in the same city, this causes the greatest problem. Another problem is that the Church of Constantinople does not recognize us [the Orthodox Church in America] as an Autocephalous Orthodox Church. There has to be some way to get around this obstacle. I'm sure, like many others, we all have our own opinions, ideas, and solutions that aren't appropriate for mass e-mails, and part of me doesn't think it should be that way.

    Regardless, we are Orthodox, we are united in that aspect, and only by stretching our boundaries, going over to a nearby Greek, Serbian, or Russian Church, will we ever be completely united as a community. I also believe time is on our side, but only it will tell.

    NJWoog@stthomas.edu

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